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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrhawaii View Post
    Can someone take a pic of the harness i need to jump for my error codes. My EG was easy but i dont think ive found the correct one to jump for my EF. Much mahalos if you guys can help.
    ryan? your home all day, lol. if he cant, i can after work. i posted a pic of what the plug looks like in your other thread. you know you can also just look at the codes with the led on the ecu correct? all you gotta do for that is pull the carpet back.
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    Yea, i ended up just replacing my O2 sensor since i just had my exhaust replaced and my cat was fairly melted thru. My wagon sounded like a WRX so i ended up rebuilding my dizzy and after $120 the problem it was a $10 set of plugs. Now its on to sourcing parts . Any recomendations for aftermarket seat setups?
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    Id stick with something honda. Older prelude si seats are very damn comfortable. I have a set, and the bolsters are pretty stout.
    Id rather lose by a mile because i built my own car then win by an inch because someone else built it for me...your car is your story, dont let someone else write the book.

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    Getting seats to fit in wagons is a little different then the other 4th gen models. Last I read on the wagon forum prelude si seats are more trouble than they're worth. Hatch seats fit with a seat pan swap and is your best bet. Civicwagon.com has tons of info on what seats people have swapped in and which ones to not bother with.


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    Yeah normal pan swap doesn't work with the prelude seats on wagon, but you can just tap and bolt the rails then tack weld for rigidity
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    Ignore my comment then MrHawaii
    Id rather lose by a mile because i built my own car then win by an inch because someone else built it for me...your car is your story, dont let someone else write the book.

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    being that his car is a 90, 90-93 da seats, and 90-91 hatchy Si seats are both relativily easy swaps. 88-89 cars require pan swaps, but the 90-91 cars are much easier to get better seats in without that hassle. the prelude seats i dont know about though.

    i put 90-91 Si hatch seats in my 90 rt and all it required was swapping rails. one rail was direct swap, the other needed a hole drilled and a nut/bolt to hold on one end of one seat rail.
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    I was looking more for a RECARO or BRIDE setup. We have a mountain lookout called Tantalus thats a time attackers dream and we run it every other weekend. What your guys experience with suspension setups. Got about $800 to spend on a nice setup.

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    Not a personal expierence, but a koni/gc setup is a very agreed upon setup.
    Id rather lose by a mile because i built my own car then win by an inch because someone else built it for me...your car is your story, dont let someone else write the book.

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    if you want aftermarket seats in the car, youll either have to purchase custom mounting brackets or fab some up yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by BG-28P View Post
    Not a personal expierence, but a koni/gc setup is a very agreed upon setup.
    ^^^ while it is commonly agreed upon, its also proven to be the best handling setup year after year at the scca nationals. ive run this setup on numerous 88-91 civics and have zero complaints. in fact, ive got the exact setup in my garage waiting to go on my wagon (once i get it running, lol).

    the only downside is that they are designed for performance first, looks second. basically they are very close to stock sized struts which in the long run means you cant go as low as you would with say a full bodied coilover and still ride as nice. companies like bc racing design thier setups to provide a comfy ride and go stupid low. they do this with a shortened shock body. what that means is that when your car is dumpt, the strut is still working in the intended range of motion, whereas a koni gc setup at a lower height is working just in the top half of the strut. this isnt good for the life of the shock, or the overall ride of the car. basically you end up riding on your bumpstops, and spending that kind of cash to still ride like shit is pretty dumb.

    overall, you need to decide what your going to spend the most time doing. driving aggressivly, or daily driving and choose your setup from there. keep in mind, the wagons can not go as low as the other cars in the ef lineup and still ride nice. main problem is the amount of travel area for the rear wheels. especially if you have plus sized wheels. while i love the ef lineup, they just cant go as low as say the da cars and still ride well. trust me, ive tried every way from tuesday it could be done, but lots of customization would have to happen, and none of these cars are worth what it would take to do so.
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    I have ksports on my hatch and like them alot. They ride pretty good and are good for handling, they also have the adjustable dampening.


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    Anyone want to sell a passenger side blinker housing for my 1990 RT wagon? I have a paypall account, money, women and small children to trade. Only issue is I live in Hawaii.

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    ^ might wanna make a wanted as for it, prolly get more replies... But ask Marcuskars, he may have whatcha need.

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    Are the manual window regulators specific?

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    I believe sedan regulators will work in the wagon... But don't quote me on that.
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    stumbled on this info on the wagon forum and found it kinda interesting, so i thought id share.

    below is data from 1/07 and how many of these vehicles were registered at that time. the list involved all civics from 75 and up, but im just posting ef's.

    wagons:

    1988 CIVIC WAGOVAN STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 1663 Units
    1988 CIVIC 1500 DX STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 1499 Units
    1989 CIVIC WAGOVAN STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 2078 Units
    1989 CIVIC STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 4748 Units
    1990 CIVIC STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 8887 Units
    1991 CIVIC STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 5877 Units

    1988 CIVIC 4X4 STATION WAGON 4X4 4Cyl. 1.6L 1719 Units
    1989 CIVIC 4X4 STATION WAGON 4X4 4Cyl. 1.6L 1165 Units
    1990 CIVIC 4X4 STATION WAGON 4X4 4Cyl. 1.6L 1598 Units
    1991 CIVIC 4X4 STATION WAGON 4X4 4Cyl. 1.6L 2625 Units

    hatchs:

    1988 CIVIC HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 5079 Units
    1988 CIVIC 1500 DX HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 4712 Units
    1988 US CIVIC HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 2330 Units
    1988 US CIVIC DX HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 4643 Units
    1989 CIVIC HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 250 Units
    1989 CIVIC DX HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 2310 Units
    1989 CIVIC SI HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 828 Units
    1989 US CIVIC HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 10675 Units
    1989 US CIVIC DX HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 14331 Units
    1989 US CIVIC SI HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 4326 Units
    1990 CIVIC SI HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 4 Units
    1990 US CIVIC HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 17972 Units
    1990 US CIVIC DX HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 18771 Units
    1990 US CIVIC SI HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 7268 Units
    1991 CIVIC SI HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 6 Units
    1991 US CIVIC HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 25387 Units
    1991 US CIVIC DX HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 26088 Units
    1991 US CIVIC SI HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 8344 Units

    sedans:

    1988 CIVIC 1500 DX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 11778 Units
    1988 CIVIC LX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 1534 Units
    1988 US CIVIC DX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 4098 Units
    1988 US CIVIC LX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 848 Units
    1989 CIVIC DX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 13096 Units
    1989 CIVIC LX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 433 Units
    1989 US CIVIC DX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 20797 Units
    1989 US CIVIC LX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 19956 Units
    1990 US CIVIC DX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 20080 Units
    1990 US CIVIC EX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 23434 Units
    1990 US CIVIC LX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 24862 Units
    1991 CIVIC DX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 12703 Units
    1991 CIVIC EX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 3064 Units
    1991 CIVIC LX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 16148 Units
    1991 US CIVIC DX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 35129 Units
    1991 US CIVIC EX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 33875 Units
    1991 US CIVIC LX SEDAN 4 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 24906 Units

    crxs:

    1988 CIVIC 1500 CRX HF HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 4355 Units
    1988 CIVIC CRX DX HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 7734 Units
    1988 CIVIC CRX SI HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 7583 Units
    1989 CIVIC 1500 CRX HF HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 3965 Units
    1989 CIVIC CRX DX HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 7591 Units
    1989 CIVIC CRX SI HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 8847 Units
    1990 CIVIC CRX DX HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 9413 Units
    1990 CIVIC CRX HF HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 3728 Units
    1990 CIVIC CRX SI HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 7229 Units
    1991 CIVIC CRX HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 10662 Units
    1991 CIVIC CRX HF HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 5274 Units
    1991 CIVIC CRX SI/SE HATCH BACK 3 DOOR FWD 4Cyl. 1.6L 8394 Units

    wagons in canada:

    1988 CIVIC 1500 DX STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 640 Units
    1988 CIVIC 1500 DX STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 3682 Units
    1988 CIVIC 4X4 STATION WAGON 4X4 4Cyl. 1.5L 90 Units
    1988 CIVIC WAGOVAN STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 182 Units
    1989 CIVIC STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 1804 Units
    1989 CIVIC 4X4 STATION WAGON 4X4 4Cyl. 1.5L 108 Units
    1990 CIVIC STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 3020 Units
    1990 CIVIC 4X4 STATION WAGON 4X4 4Cyl. 1.5L 3 Units
    1991 CIVIC STATION WAGON FWD 4Cyl. 1.5L 5336 Units
    1991 CIVIC 4X4 STATION WAGON 4X4 4Cyl. 1.5L 7 Units

    now you can see exactly how rare the awd wagons really are, lol. the number that really suprised me was how many ex sedans were still around in 07. if anyone is interested in the other civics that were listed, go here: http://www.civicwagon.com/showthread...uction+numbers
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    hello. I was wondering if you would also know the interchangeability of the engines? I've been looking all over the internet trying to find out if a 1.6 litre d16z2 from an rt4wd(i think its a 1990) will bolt up and work in my 1991 civic si hatchback. I've put up posts and replied on threads till i was blue in the face and never got anywhere with it. no one seems to want to replace a stock engine with the same stock engine, but i need to put something in my car ASAP so i can drive it while i tinker with the one that was in it, and the only place within a hundred miles of me that has anything at all, has 2 civics with 1.5 litres(both with low miles) that i have to admit, are tempting even though they are a step down, and 1 rt4wd with the 1.6 i need. i did see a couple little things from people who were trying to find out if they could put a hatchback or crx d16 into an rt4wd, but they didn't mention whether or not the trannys would mate or if mounts where in even a similar spot, they just mentioned that the oil pan and possibly the oil sump in the rt4wd were different and would have to be changed. the person who started this thread REALLY seems to know what they are doing. If you know, would you PLEASE tell me if this would work, and anything you might know about things that would have to be changed? I sure would appreciate it!!!

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    It will bolt up no issue,
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    Oil Pam difference doesn't matter, the pickup and everything are the same as what comes in a hatch
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